Why can't we focus on the rights of both genders? I've had some friends go through this, where they'd get offered a lead position but technically it's 'Lead in training' so he gets the old pay while they evaluate him etc. > The loss of some fraction of X is always going to hurt the company more than your gain in Y will benefit them. The online article's title is a bit less click bait than the transcription here on HN, but it's still misleading. Otherwise, a year from now, they might not feel so charitable, and the story will be "from director of design to fired IC". Notably, not synthesizing the answer in the first place. I'm glad that people are becoming increasingly aware of this. Not to mention that a lot of the times it's much harder to reverse an engineering decision vs a managerial one. Even if you as a DevOps engineer cause your company to be down for a day, it probably would have little effect on your company's bottom line. It doesn't compensate for it in any way, of course. CEOs quit failing companies with multi-million exit bonuses. Also: keep doing the side projects :-). > Making a big mistake as a manager can cost the company a lot more than a big mistake as an individual Engineer, Architect or Developer, especially if you consider that the latter roles will catch many of each others' mistakes. Kudos to you and to your manager. No, I can't reward you for it yet, just start at the next rank and we'll wait and see pleasethankyou." I'm not sure what changed, or when, but it definitely feels like there are tons of tools that can solve the same set of problems, and the tech choice is more down to preference than killer features separating complete products from also-rans. Probably it was both. I am far from the best programmer on my team. Reminds me of a "self-demotion" that worked out well: That of a certain Allan Vermeulen [0] who, by some accounts, was the chief architect of Amazon S3 [1], and by all accounts, an engineer extraordinaire. I think I agree with almost all of what you said! Of course anything is possible, but there is often a chain of managerial command (managers of managers) to catch mistakes. Sure, they need to learn git, python etc. In this the tail of my career I'm happy to work as a consultant with peers, getting contracts and billable hours for all of us. That can be a huge asset. Great story! Ok, it was a reduction in rank, but an increase in status (if you ask most software engineers) ;). That said, to get a title promotion, I've found that you have to do more of the organizing, planning, coordinating stuff to be noticed. Both genders deserve equal treatment. Petite bodied gal riding massive white cock in reverse cowgirl pose. There are many ways to have that impact, and that could be by architecture, design and influencing technical strategy, or it could be by churning out tons of code, or it could be by highly specialized domain knowledge. I wanted to say tell that guy that my manager is actually competent, so he has my respect, but I would not capitalize the word "boss". I think we are disagreeing because we're talking past one another. Seniority to some degree is about enabling others and having the overview. As a FAANG Staff engineer, yes my days are full of meetings (with coding breaks in the middle). Above all of Milford Graves' myriad of artistic and medical accomplishments and breakthroughs, what stands out most in my mind is the real magic he created behind the drums- music done on such a high spiritual plane. After all, if they were "good", then the output of engineers would have been multiplied, right?! He also helped Alyer and many other Free Jazz comrades to get signed with the label he recorded with, Impulse Records. For context, my last job change was also a diagonal step down and an overall step up in happiness. This is true -- but your manager won't always act in your company's exact best interest either! I'm not making a judgement on the worth of the different jobs - I've been a manager, I'm now both a designer and a developer, and I personally prefer the latter above all else - and I don't think she is either. All content is copyright Black Star News © 2020. It’s a prediction based on its continued meteoric rise and given its net worth. So I didn't become a manager, and I never worried about it again. If you want to be strict, sure. Maybe this is a small vs large company thing, but I think it is entirely possible to "typecast" yourself into a corner such that the best thing you can do if you want to pivot is jump ship. Graves told me he was upset that Ayler blocked him from working with Coltrane.Â, "I would have taken the gig," Milford Graves told me (The recording was released as- Interstellar Space- a duo recording with just Coltrane and drummer Rashied Ali).Â, Coltrane died the following summer on July 17, 1967. I'm lucky to get an hour a day between 9 and 5 to engineer. When exactly did this extortionary tactic started? Finally note that no one really talks about 10x Managers, but people talk about 10x Developers. A terrible career move. Part of me says "thanks but no thanks, I'm not going to apply for a promotion to a job you obviously think I'm qualified for but won't offer out-right if its going to be a massive paradigm shift AGAIN for me," and another part says, "Dude, you're so dumb if you don't apply for a job that pays 30% more than you're currently making!". Have you had the discussion with your manager that you want to get into management as a long term goal? I reiterate that I'm using a standard for "valid" that is befitting of anecdotes, which is confined to the facts. I don't have an equivalent story for women because I work with significantly less women. We spend so much of our lives at work, so what's wrong with aligning it with something you love? Four days later at Coltrane's personal request, Milford Graves, along with Ayler and Orrentte Coleman played two short blistering sets during his funeral at St. Peter's Lutheran Church New York City.Â, LISTEN: Albert Ayler Quartet - Love Cry, Truth Is Marching In, Our Prayer (live) July, 1967, John Coltrane Funeral, St. Peter's Lutheran Church, New York City https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO9UCV5APPA, After Love Cry, Graves was playing a concert in Newark, New Jersey in a large hall along with Leroy Jones and in the back of the concert hall, a gun went off. Likewise, her experience of being a manager of the Production Design team, and the Director of Design, can be great experiences to add depth to the development team. NYC is not Boston or Phili. I took a sort-of similar route. That is one of the best articles I have read in a very long time. As an individual contributor, the impact of your decisions may be broad, but however broad your individual impact is, your manager's impact on you is [broad * number of directs], so it's always "greater" (note: not better, just greater). You sound like someone who has never been a manager or has no idea what a manager does. Language isn't always about formal definitions - it's more often about how people use it. Problem is, an 1x manager with 2x engineers will often be credited for it. To get VP pay as an IC (ie. Invest in your automators and treat your people managers as a low-value-add cost center. I can't claim either is bad or wrong; people just have different itches to scratch. The high-level, c-suite, "director of strategy"-type roles. That's how intense Milford Graves was.Near the end, I thought I might pass out, but Milford could have easily gone on for another four hours.  I don't totally understand what he did exactly, but whatever it was, it worked. Everything Graves said would happen, did. Now that I think about it, my own boss shields us from these meetings primarily by taking the meeting himself. Is someone else pulling enough money where 1. did not matter? Would you rather have developers wearing every hat in an org? Plus in this example, OP was a high performer and had already shown initiative, putting in legwork to upskill themselves for the new role. Most outages are caused by developers and IT, not managers. But in a natural way, not an all-or-nothing choice. When he was a child, a tenant who was renting a room in his family home died and left behind a pair of congas that nobody had reclaimed. All his passion and insight into percussion and the rhythms inside the human body- at its center- was all about healing.Â, Just like how Mr. Da Vinci ran circles around his contemporaries that lived during his time in the 15th Century, we here in the 21st Century will take a long time to catch up with one of the great forward-leaning artists and thinkers in our lifetime. Most managers are average, their value is vague but they are controlled by managers so its an endless loop till you hit the worker layer that get things done. Ask yourself that question. I find too many workplaces see the only way for a developer to move ahead in their career is to become a manager. Being a Distinguished Engineer is the highest there is for an engineer. That's not an insult, just a view of how things are different in development vs. traditional industry. I think the title on HN is different than the title in the actual article, and has different implications. Or you can drop it all and start your business, which means all of the above plus sales plus lots of patience and little or no pay. As someone who reached quite a high rung on the ladder (from outward appearances anyway) in a different career path prior to development, I think it's really healthy to see it as a demotion or step down. Typically, I've seen directors in two kinds of capacity: people management or strategic/technical vision. But look at Amazon. if possible) SWE at a mid to top tech company. From 1965 onward, Coltrane continually perplexed his mass of followers by releasing giant gobs of over blowing-tenor-screaming Free Jazz, becoming the new sound's most prominent international ambassador.  Â, When Coltrane converted to Free Jazz, critics for the first time began trashing his records.Â, LISTEN: John Coltrane: Om  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2HZQ70hpbU(*recorded 10/1/65 -Coltrane & band dropped LSD before entering the studio, beating The Grateful Dead by a few weeks as the first band to "play the acid"), But Coltrane didn't care. Managers should be shielding teams from unproductive meetings and pushing for productivity (action items) from the meetings that happen - holding their peers to a degree of standards. https://perspectives.mvdirona.com/2016/03/a-decade-of-innova... https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20040418&slug... https://web.archive.org/web/20091226191003/paulwallis.ulitze... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVvFVwyElLY, https://www.linkedin.com/in/allan-vermeulen-58835b/. Milford Graves was a modern-day-global shaman that invoked an-primordial-inner-archaic-revival of buried-long forgotten senses around those lucky enough to be in his orbit. This is physically impossible. That may or may not be true, of course, but it's an element in your favor either way! Why? Sure I hadn't achieved anything close to being the director of design for a known tech firm; My design career was just starting to flourish when I'd made the move. The harder part of being a developer is communication, making hard decisions, showing leadership. The work isn't all that creative, doesn't require much judgment, and rarely requires much expertise. The author's enthusiasm is a great reminder why. Especially if their failures were causing problems with other teams. Everyone assumed that I knew a lot because of my age, but I was mostly a newbie. Also, I've seen management levels that are 0 - 1 subordinates deep (managers of none). There were never any New York Times or Village Voice reporters allowed in to write hip stories. Edit: actually, you've done this so many times before that I've banned the account. This isn't just your run-of-the-mill-benighted-white-male-newsroom-racism. Maybe she even makes close to the same amount of money, who knows. English is my first language. Of course my leadership skills should be evident if I'm going to ask to be Lead, so yes day1 leads aren't starting from 0. 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